Logic 8 Pro Studio Torrent, stop it!
By DavidFisher. Filed in audio |Tags: Garageband, Logic 8 Pro, Logic Express, Logic Pro, Logic Studio, piracy, pirate bay, torrent
I’ve had several hits regarding a Logic Pro Studio torrent.
While I know that Bittorrent can obviously be used for legal purposes (WoW patches, Linux distributions, etc..), as well as illegal purposes (95% of stuff on The Pirate Bay) I really don’t like this.
Yes, there is downloading stuff that’s a “Grey area”. It’s stuff that’s probably illegal (Watching the Daily Show on Miro), but isn’t harmful (often commercials are left in) and isn’t making anyone a profit. John Stewart doesn’t care, and neither does Stephen Colbert apparently. They make a mockery of it being on YouTube if anything.
However, people wanting to download Logic Studio Pro upset me.
“Why?”, you may ask.
First of all, you should look at the differences between Logic Pro and Logic Express and Garageband. If you are just doing music, “for fun” then Garageband should be all you need. It comes with every new Mac basically for free.
If you are a student, you can get Logic (either express or Pro) for a huge discount. At that discount, there is no reason to pirate it. If you don’t have the money for it at that point, just cut back on beer and drugs (or even coffee) for a week and you’ll have it. I am not indicating that everyone is an alcoholic, but seriously you can raise the money for Lopic Express in using minimal effort and cutting back on a few things.
Then look at Logic Pro vs Logic Express. If you “need” Logic Pro, so that you can have surround sound and some more professional features, then I’d say it’s damn likely that you are (or should be) making money from it. If you’re making money from it and pirating it, then that sucks.
It’s like a graphic arts house pirating Photoshop. I think a kid in high school pirating it is one thing, and not harmful. However a graphic arts house making a business off of the software (and it’s not just a plugin, it’s their main platform) is horrid.
If you can’t afford Logic Pro 8 then you don’t need it. If you don’t need it, why are you pirating it. In all seriousness, audio PROS need Logic Pro. You don’t need it for a podcast. You don’t need it to record yourself playing a song on your acoustic.
If you want some actual free (open source) multitrack programs there’s some good ones out there. Just Google for them.
But please, don’t pirate a piece of professional software for your professional studio. If you don’t have a professional studio, then use other software. It’s probably already on your computer (garageband), or at a nominal price (Logic Express, which containts 95% of the features).
Yes, Apple has removed the need for an XSKey. That is not a license to pirate it. It’s so that you don’t constantly have to drag around, break, lose, get replaced, have problems with an XSKey.
UPDATE: This post has gotten a TON of traffic here and generated far more discussion than I thought it would. I’m glad people are listening.
My position is pretty much the same, but maybe a little softer now. We all know we shouldn’t pirate software. Yea, Apple makes a ton of money, but that’s still not a justification for stealing. I still haven’t upgraded to Logic 8, because… I don’t have the money. I’m not at the same time claiming that I’ve never touched a bit-torrent program and have no pirated software.
Main point: If you have a studio that’s making money (at all) then you should buy your software/tools. If you’re 13 and in your bedroom, you aren’t going to kill anything by pirating it, but I just don’t see why you think you need professional software.
UPDATE 2: Looking back over the past year of comments on this a few things are pretty clear.
- Most of you haven’t actually read this post, but rather given a kneejerk reaction.
- You haven’t read other parts of my blog. Some of you think I don’t know what its like to be a poor musician, or attend college for music. I’ve been there and done that. I went to Berklee for 4 years. I worked in a recording studio for nearly 3.
- Also that many people are upset simply because of hivemind, follow the crowd attitudes. You honestly know the difference between right and wrong here, but you simply want to take the low road. That’s fine and I’m not judging you for that. I think you’re just feeling guilty, so you lash out.
- The personal attacks can stop anytime. I’ve been kind enough to allow any comments to stay here, even ones that are massive personal attacks, inaccurate, or uneducated. Let’s not ruin the party k?
To the pirated software users and supporters : (those who say “fuck you,fuck steve jobs,fuck me,fuck you your mom ecc.ecc. )
did you ever really try to WORK on cracked programs? i guess you kids just toy with it…well, cracked programs are UNSTABLE ,UNFUNCTIONAL,UNSAFE,THEY CRASH. Now go,please ,go work with them ! People is so fuckin’ stupid. SO-FUCKIN’-STUPID !
ungo wrote : I DO IT TO REFUSE TO PAY TO SOME CORPORATION. THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT WILL PAY FOR IT OTHERS WHO CAN’T WON’T
man,please,find yourself a job
It really doesn’t matter, either way; open source software will soon surpass the quality of marketed products.
Also, it’s noble to pay money for a product based on principle, but be aware of two things:
-It’s never noble to be self-righteous, assuming and condescending– I, a college student, in fact do not regularly spend large sums of money on beer and drugs (suprise, suprise)
-these principles that you hold dear have COMPLETELY evaded large companies like apple. They would, given the chance, take advantage of an “unethical” opportunity to make money. The companies that do have principles never survive to become as big as apple, because there are so many other competitors without principles and the cost drains that come with them. Apple would pirate software, too.
I will use a pirated version of what ever I want whenever I feel like it. Glory of the internet. I have bought one CD in the past three years. I dont need to buy movies. I have access to an unlimited amount of resources and you better believe I am going to use it. I will buy logic when I have the money. But I dont. I cant cut back on the drugs and beer expense mostly because it doesnt exist. See, Im in school. Which consumes 85% of my life. work consumes the rest. I barely find time to eat and sleep so drugs and beer are void in my life right now. I have no extra money and I have no way of purchasing the erroneously expensive program so that mr big shot where ever can finally get his million dollar car, sorry wont do it. You can live your life just the way you want as long as I can as well.
Torrents are not harmful. What is harmful is the greediness of assholes who think they own the world. Times are changing my friends, see, now we own the world. We set the prices, and we show demand. This is why the internet is the greatest thing of our lives. No big record studio executive will be determining what is good… we will… with blogs and everything else. No big shot CEO of some big ass corporation will be raping us of our money just because we want to make good music and do it with the same tools as the pros. The first company to see this and apply it will be the most successful company of our time.
Before you go ahead and bitch any more about the internet remember this. It is hear for me and because of me, just as it is you. So embrace and use it because no matter how much anyone tries… the internet is and forever will be controlling our global economy.
I agree with the poster. Apple has done a great job of taking off the stupid restrictions of the software, and these idiots want to go pirating a piece of software they can buy for cheap. I payed for logic studio and am happy I did. Do yourself a favor and stop being a a**hole, get a job, and go buy the software.
It’s the only way apple will come out with other great products. I want my software to be dongle free, and you jerks make it bad for us legal users.
Enough said
Fuck you Will!! You can afford it, ’cause you have a job, high-paid, or some mother-fucking manager. Not everybody has enough money or budget. Those mother-fucking corporations so stupid, if the product’s price can be lower, everybody can afford, who need to spend the fucking time to download from fucking internet????? If everybody can afford, and the product is great and powerful, of course, everybody love to buy. For example, if they sell for original price, $1500, maybe 10 people can afford in 500 people. Now they just earn $15000. If they sell that for $100, well, maybe 80% of 500 people think that is reasonable, but still 400 people want to buy, so, how much they can earn now???? $40000…..
Those corporations are stupid moronic asses…
Fuck Off you self righteous son of a bitch. Going around telling people what they can and can’t do has nothing to do with you. I buy all my software and always will but don’t tell others to just because I do. BTW love the site asshole!!
Why download it? well i’m not 13..i’m 21 and I dont have a professional studio and I still can’t afford the software..I want what the pros use so that i can have pro quality..I’m an aspiring producer and yea i might use hacked software but just because i can’t afford it I should totally give up music? Plain and simple…some people are lower than middle class…47grand a year is ‘RICH!’ in my eyes,I’m still in the hood/ghetto (and i dont drink or do any drugs and yes i work to support my kids,so fuck u stereotypers) but i still have the hopes and ‘dreams’ to make music and right now using pirated software to get professional quality is the only way i can do it.So there’s one answer from 1 perspective of why people use a pirated Logic Pro rather than somethin lesser or cheaper.
LOOK EVERYONE….
people convert to using macs because their wonderful software for audio/video editing.
their computers are completely overpriced, and that’s definitely no controversy.
maybe if logic was made compatible with the PC’s i already have, i would actually buy logic,
but
when you make someone spend 2k+ on a computer you could get 30-40% less, and THEN get the software, I think you’re a little to greedy.
Props to the people who made Logic, but fuck Apple for overpricing everything
no anymore, look at a Macbook vers. a PC, search on the web, there isn’t any differences. The price is a little bit above, but hey, you’ve got a nice and WORKING computer.
So no need to complain now, you really have got the choice !
Same for Windows, do they offer you Excell, just because you own Windows XP, or Vista ??
Why should apple make discount ? you even don’t own a Mac and probably never will… So don’t bother arguing like 15 years ago.
hi
As someone who’s brought all my software, I’m glad for piracy , because it forces the prices down.
Software companies always claim that piracy makes things expensive for the consumer, despite study after study proving the opposite happens.
The trick is that the market will literally compete against anything. Piracy provides heavy “hard” competition against commercial software, so it forces software companies to drop their prices to encourage people to licence.
Ultimately honest consumers win big time because they get cheaper legal product, and the pirates , well I guess they’ll just keep on doing what they do.
All you people are whining away at how expensive Logic and Apple computers are …
When sales go down because people steal the product, those who DO pay for it get a higher price.
That’s basic economics.
So stop all the bitching and get a better job or go play with GB. I seriously doubt a 15 yr kid needs Logic. He only wants it because it is the latest software he can download and never use because GOD FORBID he might have to RTFM!
A 15 yr old boy can handle almost anything except alcohol, women, and reading.
Can’t get a job? Move out of Detroit - trust me here, Detroit sucks.
“dmx”
By your logic (see what I did there) car thieves make car prices more economical.
I weep for the future.
Just because he refers to students as stereotypically being on drugs and spending all their money on beer, it makes me want to torrent it.